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York Baseball 2003: The Mets suck and Derek Jeter is overrated
May
19, 2003
by Alexander Washburn
My
Mets are in a free fall – so all I’m doing
is awaiting the day when Steve Phillips is no longer the
General Manager and Art Howe is no longer the manager.
Phillips has made too many shortsighted moves like the
signings of Mo Vaughn, Roger Cedeno, Shawn Estes, has
been too quick to cast off young talent like Jason Isringhausen,
and played the good guy to Bobby Valentine’s bad
guy – when in fact they’re both assholes.
Art Howe deserves to go because well, he can’t coach.
Spare me the Oakland success story, Howe was always the
Mets second choice behind Sweet Lou and is way too timid
of a manager for New York baseball. He has no fire, no
passion and that shows in the way he manages a game. These
Mets, despite speed, don’t run. I’m not talking
stolen bases, but putting the runners in motion to avoid
inning ending double plays. To see a team that has trouble
scoring runs playing baseball one base at a time is no
way to manage a team.
One
of my favorite pastimes dealing with the national pastime
is uncovering more testimony that speaks to the fact that
NY Yankee shortstop is not only over-rated but no lock
for the Hall of Fame.
I
like Jeter. I love the tough, all-out way he plays the
game. He is a great ambassador for the game and in these
times we have to appreciate a kid millionaire who hasn’t
been led away in handcuffs yet. It is a credit to Jeter,
the person and the athlete, that we’ll never open
up the NY Daily News and see his mug shot on the back
page. We’ve seen this in countless NY athletes:
Wells, Strawberry, Gooden, Billy Martin – but Jeter
is a class act and conducts his life as he plays the game
– with integrity and respect. Plus, the Saturday
Night Live ‘Derek Jeter’s Taco Hole’
from back when he hosted last year, is among the highlights
of that faded shows last five years.
I
have read arguments that question Jeter’s greatness
before: most notably from Joel Sherman, the baseball writer
for the New York Post. Sherman likes the Yankees but has
called Jeter overrated and the day after his return to
pinstripes after a stint on the DL, Sherman in a glowing
welcome back to Jeter, also took time to write: “There
is a fervor among the statistical true believers that
the game could be coldly solved at a computer terminal.
And that forgets that humans actually produce the numbers.
And while those numbers show Jeter has slipped further
from the elite shortstops on offense and always ranks
among the least rangy on defense, it does not reveal how
he makes his club feel.”
I
headed over the ESPN for more testimony and came across
a great piece by web writer Rob Nayer. Now, it’s
clear that Nayer had a Jim Rice jersey growing up but
his facts are dead on regardless of his personal feelings.
Nayer tested defensive statistics on other Yankee shortstops
and concluded that Jeter is no better than his backups.
Nayer writes: “Compare Jeter’s defensive statistics
to the other Yankees who played shortstop since he’s
been on the team. If Jeter were really outstanding, as
many people seemed to think, wouldn’t he have better
statistics than his backups? But in fact, he did not.
The other Yankee shortstops, none of them considered brilliant
defensive players, actually combines to post slightly
better numbers than Jeter.” Ouch.
Jeter
doesn’t just rank below his fellow Yankee shortstops
he fails in defensive comparison to all Major League Baseball
shortstops. Taking a look at the ultimate fielding statistic:
in Range Factor (which equals putouts plus assists per
nine innings) we see objective evidence that deflates
the Jeter myth. Over the last five years, among shortstops
who have started at least 100 games, the best Jeter has
ranked is 16 out of 24, which he did in 1997. He ranked
fourth lowest in 1996 (out of 24) and was second from
the bottom in 1998. In three of the last five years, Derek
Jeter ranked last among Major League Baseball shortstops
in Range Factor.
Taking
a look at Jeter’s offensive numbers we see a steady
decline in production over the years. Since hitting a
career high of .347 in 1999, Jeter’s average has
dropped consistently, and last year he ended up hitting
under .300. His Slugging Percentage has also fallen every
year hitting only .421 last year, compared to .552 in
1998. Home runs are down: 24 in 1998 to 18 in 2002. RBI’s
are down: 102 in 1999 to 75 in 2002. Jeter is walking
less, with just 91 free passes last year and striking
out more – whiffing 114 times last year –
his highest since 1999. Jeter hasn’t had a 200 hit
season in three years.
Where
Jeter is on the decline – some shortstops are on
the upswing. It’s no longer necessary to compare
Jeter to A-Rod and Nomar – there is no comparison.
Jeter has to contend with raising star shortstops like
Edgar Renteria – who in the last three years has
risen in categories where Jeter has declined. Renteria
hitting has improved consistently and hit .300 last year
and has started off this season at .364. Last year, he
had more RBI’s, a higher on-base percentage and
slugging percentage than Jeter.
So,
what about all them World Series rings? Damn impressive
if you ask me. Jeter, unlike all the others I’ve
mentioned, has won and won consistently. It’s a
testament to him as a player but more to the team assembled
in the Bronx during that magical run. But, World Series
rings cannot be the only reason Jeter makes the Hall of
Fame. David Cone has the rings as well but since he will
never achieve those ever-important Hall of Fame markers:
300 wins, 3,000 strikeouts etc. Cone, with all his rings
and Cy Young award, won’t get voted into the Hall.
Same goes for Chuck Knoblauch, a career .289 (where it
looks like Jeter is ending up) who has the same amount
of rings as Jeter and was a dominate player for a number
of seasons. He too, won’t make the Hall of Fame.
Overrated?
Yes. Hall of Famer? No. An amazing baseball player that
it’s a pleasure to watch? Hell yes. It’s hard,
when you look at the facts objectively to say that Derek
Jeter is among the best shortstops in best baseball. And
even though he has all the qualities that say greatness,
he will not take a seat among the baseball immortals in
Cooperstown.
(Alexander Washburn is a volunteer staff writer for 2 Walls Webzine)
>>RESPONSES
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on track for Cooperstown
(Response to: The Mets suck and Derek Jeter
is overrated)
May 23, 2003
by David Brown
I’ll
be the first to admit, A-Rod and Nomar are better hitters
than Derek Jeter. (Don’t talk to me about Miguel
Tejada – he’s the same age as the rest of
these guys and he’s a .265 hitter lifetime. And
he’s batting .210 so far this season.) A-Rod is
in a class by himself, the best player in baseball right
now. And Nomar has proven himself to be among the game’s
best hitters year in and year out. But that doesn’t
mean Derek Jeter isn’t one of the best shortstops
in baseball. And it doesn’t mean he won’t
end up in Cooperstown.
Hall of Fame voters look at what a player does over the
course of his career, not at what he did for a few years.
So let’s look at his career stats. He has a .317
lifetime batting average, averaging 17 HR and 83 RBI per
162 games (mostly from the 2nd spot in the batting order).
He averages 124 runs, 206 hits, 25 stolen bases and 32
doubles a year. His lifetime on-base percentage is .389,
and he’s finished in the top 7 in the AL in both
runs and hits every year since 1997.
Add to that 5 All-Star appearances, a rookie of the year
award, four World Championships, and a World Series MVP
award in 2000. And in 82 post-season games he has a .314
average with 11 home runs.
He’s 28 years old and he plays for a perennial winner.
Based on seven full seasons in the majors as a shortstop,
Jeter has strong Hall of Fame credentials. If he can carry
those averages through to the end of his career, he’ll
be a lock for the first ballot. And the key is his position
as a shortstop.
Look
at the list
of Hall of Fame shortstops. The only the only Hall
of Fame shortstops who played within the last 30 years
are are Robin Yount and Ozzie Smith. Cal Ripken is a shoe-in
when he becomes eligible. The current crop of shortstops
has spoiled us. Very few players over the course of baseball
history have been able to field that position and hit
the ball as well as Jeter.
Statistically,
a good player of comparison for Jeter is Barry Larkin.
Larkin’s career averages: .295, 15 HR, 72 RBI, 100
runs, 176 hits, 33 doubles, 30 SB, and an MVP award in
1995. Pretty strong numbers for a shortstop over 17 seasons.
But keep in mind, Larkin never had a 200 hit season, and
he doesn’t have the postseason pedigree of Jeter
(despite winning a ring in 1990). But give the defensive
edge to Larkin for his 3 Gold Glove awards. Larkin is
by no means a lock for Cooperstown, but he’s going
to get plenty of votes. My guess is he will make it, even
if it takes more than a few ballots.
As
for Jeter’s fielding, I was enlightened by Rob
Neyer’s article on ESPN.com. Jeter is not an
outstanding defensive shortstop. Statistically, he is
average at best. But shortstop is a position that requires
an everyday player to be very good. Guys who can’t
field that position don’t stay there long. I would
argue that anybody who has a long career at short is by
definition a good defensive shortstop because if they
weren’t, they wouldn’t be there. Whatever
the case, Jeter gets the job done, despite the fact that
he doesn’t have the range of his counterparts.
Regardless
of whether or not you consider Jeter subpar with the glove,
his offense more than makes up for it. While his numbers
might have fallen off, it’s likely that they will
pick back up before leveling off again. To compare him
to Edgar Renteria might make sense based on last season,
but not over a career. Renteria’s lifetime batting
average is .286! I’ll admit he’s one of the
better shortstops in the league, but he’s got some
work to do if he wants to make it to Cooperstown. Jeter
just has to keep pace with what he’s done his whole
career.
The
intangible factor that Jeter brings to his team is tough
to discount. It obviously can’t be quantified with
statistics, but his style of play will no doubt help his
cause, and it should. Plus, he is one of the best in the
game at doing all the little things: getting from first
to third on a single to right field, advancing the runner
with a sacrifice, executing the hit and run. Perhaps more
importantly, his postseason performance may solidify his
spot in Cooperstown. Athletes are ultimately judged by
their postseason success. Jeter has plenty of that to
put him over the top. He’s still got a lot of years
left, and he’ll have to prove his value over that
time. I suspect he’ll leave few doubts about his
legacy when his career is finally over.
(David
Brown is a volunteer staff writer for 2 Walls Webzine)
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